Non-identification (atammayatā)
Indeterminate qualities / Characteristics of existence / Non-identification 
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Alternative translations: Non-fashinioning, Not-made-of-that
10 excerpts, 1:00:19 total duration



Our Roots in the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 13 – Jan. 22, 2014

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6. “Is this similar to the Buddha’s teaching to let go of the path?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Eightfold Path] [Relinquishment] // [Ajahn Chah] [Non-identification] [Right Effort] [Ajahn Mun] [Thai]

Sutta: SN 1.1 Oghataraṇa: Crossing the Flood.


Our Roots in the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 31 – Feb. 17, 2014

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11. “She talks about making a story out of denying your defilements. Does the story of having fun denying your defilements come from that space of dwelling in that state of continuous mindfulness, or does continuous mindfulness come about from going through the suffering of forcing yourself not to enjoy anything?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Upasikā Kee Nanayon] [Unwholesome Roots] [Continuity of mindfulness] [Conditionality] // [Discernment]

Quote: “Relinquishment isn’t so much a giving up something that we have but enjoying the non-moving to get or trying to make.” [Relinquishment] [Cessation of Suffering] [Non-identification]

Simile: Learning to drive or walk. — Ajahn Kaccāna. [Similes]


Western Disciples of the Thai Forest Tradition, Session 24 – Feb. 5, 2016

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1. “Can you provide guidance on the contemplation of conceiving, and name and form?” Answered by Ajahn Pasanno. [Conceit] [Aggregates] [Proliferation] // [Suffering] [Nature of mind] [Advertizing] [Impermanence] [Relinquishment] [Non-identification] [Four Noble Truths]

Sutta: Ud 3.10: “For however one conceives it, it is always other than that.”

Quote: “The mind is a liar and a cheat.” — Ajahn Chah. [Ajahn Chah] [False speech]

Reference: Ajahn Buddhadāsa’s Nine Eyes, The Island by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro, p. 116. [Ajahn Buddhadāsa] [Characteristics of existence]

Sutta: Ud 1.10 Bāhiya Sutta: “In the seen there is only the seen...” [Sense bases] [Perception]

Quote: “You can hurt yourself even with really good tools.” [Meditation/Techniques] [Right Effort]


Readings from The Island, Session 8 – Jan. 18, 2025

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1. Comment: I heard that often when Ajahn Buddhadāsa would ist receiving guests he might have a chicken under his arm. And if a mosquito landed on him, he would gently move the chicken towards the mosquito, and that way he wasn’t breaking the Vinaya. [Ajahn Buddhadāsa ] [Animal] [Killing]

Response by Ajahn Amaro: His presence was like sitting in front of a living mountain. [Personal presence]

Story: Ajahn Amaro’s visit to Suan Mokh in 1998. [Wat Suan Mokkh] [Ajahn Amaro] [Ajahn Paññānanda] [Non-identification] [Teaching Dhamma] [Ajahn Santikaro]


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2. “I understand that the Dhamma is beyond duality. But does the distinction between conditioned and unconditioned support duality?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Dhamma] [Advaita Vedanta] [Unconditioned] // [Language] [Conventions] [Non-identification]

Reference: Richard Gombrich, ‘Metaphor, Allegory, Satire,’ in How Buddhism Began: The Conditioned Genesis of the Early Teachings, pp 86-87, quoted in The Island by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro, p. 118.

Sutta: SN 1.25: “Skilful, knowing the world’s parlance, he uses such terms as mere expressions.”

Follow-up: “The usage of symbols sometimes helps as well....” [Symbolism]

Quote: “All similes and anologies are partial.” [Knowing itself]


Readings from The Island, Session 10 – Jan. 20, 2025

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1. “Ajahn Geoff often says that non-duality is not part of the Buddha’s teachings because it refers to unity rather than complete trancendance. In your experience, do most teachings on non-duality refer to an allness or something more compatible with the Buddha’s teachings?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro. [Ajahn Ṭhānissaro] [Right View] [Unconditioned] [Advaita Vedanta] // [Equanimity] [Non-identification] [Knowing itself] [Language] [Culture/West] [Culture/India]

Sutta: MN 137.17: Equanimity based on diversity, etc.

Sutta: MN 1.25: They are attached to the All.

Quote: “One of my pet peeves is when people say, ‘I really love non-duality.’” — Eric McCord.


Readings from The Island, Session 20 – Feb. 7, 2025

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3. “I have never come to the bottom of this self or not self, and I come to the point where I just give up. Should I worry?” Answered by Ajahn Amaro and Ajahn Pasanno. [Self-identity view ] [Not-self] // [Present moment awareness] [Proliferation] [Insight meditation] [Knowing itself] [Relinquishment]

Reflection by Ajahn Amaro: This which knows the person is not a person. [Personality]

Follow-up: “This goes strongly against what we experience outside of Amaravati; in work life there is very strong identity. To find a balance is very challenging.”

Response by Ajahn Pasanno: “Identification is the glue that holds suffering together.” [Suffering] [Non-identification]

Quote: “When were you ever made any the less by dying?” — Jalāl al-Dīn Rūmī. Quoted by Ajahn Amaro. [Jalāl al-Dīn Rūmī] [Death] [Right View]